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Old 02-17-2010, 09:36 PM   #1
 
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Default Highest octane in Modesto

Is 91 octane the highest I'm going to find short of race gas? Any 93 hiding at any of the gas stations? I just got a Predator and am looking to get the most out of it. Thanks!
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I haven't personally seen any 93 Octane in California, Mike. I ran into it going through New Mexico, Texas, Alabama though, I think. That Predator 91 tune should be enough to "knock your socks off".
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Corner of Orangeburg and Coffee road.

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I haven't personally seen any 93 Octane in California, Mike. I ran into it going through New Mexico, Texas, Alabama though, I think. That Predator 91 tune should be enough to "knock your socks off".

93 works on Baby pretty good but not nearly as well as 110
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http://www.oaklandgasprices.com/Suno...898/index.aspx

Thats where I used to put 103 in her.
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Good deal! I will definitely check it out!
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Thanks for the info steve might have to take a trip over there fill up and update my tune just to see how much more fun 93 octane is.
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Occasionally you'll find 76 stations that sell 100 octane racing gas. They sell it down the road in Redwood City over here.
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Get it while you can guys, big brother is coming!

CARB bans race gas use in street registered vehicles even used only on the track

No More Race Gas for Licensed Vehicles in California..





www.arb.ca.gov/enf/advs/advs397.pdf


SALES, SUPPLY, AND USE REQUIREMENTS

The purpose of this advisory is to inform refiners, blenders, importers, and
distributors of racing fuel of the regulations and requirements concerning the
supply, sales, and use of gasoline used in racing vehicles (referred to herein
as "racing fuel" or "racing gasoline") in California. This
advisory applies only to motor vehicles. See the definition of "motor
vehicle" below.

The California Reformulated Gasoline Regulations (RFG) found in Title 13 of the
California Code of Regulations (CCR), Sections 2250-2273.5 require California
gasoline sold, offered for sale, supplied or offered for supply as a motor
vehicle fuel to meet certain and specific chemical content and physical
property specifications, including, essentially, a zero lead (Pb) content
requirement.

"Supply" means to provide or transfer a product to a physically
separate facility, vehicle, or transportation system. Thus, any person in the
marketing chain, including an end user / purchaser fueling his own vehicle, is
supplying gasoline and is subject to the California RFG Regulations.

"Motor vehicle" is defined as a self-propelled vehicle in section 415
of the California Vehicle Code. Therefore, racing vehicles are by definition
motor vehicles. Please note that boats and airplanes are not defined as motor
vehicles.

"Racing vehicle" is defined as a competition vehicle not used on
public highways. Further, if you can drive it to the track, it is not a racing
vehicle. Racing vehicles are exempted from California Air Resources Board
(CARB) vehicular air pollution control requirements in section 43001 of the
California Health and Safety Code. Racing fuel (gasoline used in racing
vehicles), however, is not exempt from the California RFG requirements except
as provided in Section 2261(f) of the CCR.

Section 2261(f) specifically provides, in part, that sub-article 2 (Standards
for Gasoline) and section 2253.4 (Lead/Phosphorus in Gasoline) "shall not
apply to gasoline where the person selling, offering or supplying the gasoline
demonstrates as an affirmative defense that the person has taken reasonably
prudent precautions to assure that the gasoline is used only in racing
vehicles."

CARB considers gasoline (leaded or unleaded) used in racing vehicles for
testing, practice, or actual competition for and during a sanctioned racing
event to be exempt from the reformulated gasoline (RFG) specifications.
Competition vehicles driven to a racing event on a public highway rather than
being transported on a trailer or other carrier are not racing vehicles. Motor
vehicles used for work, pleasure, or recreation, i.e. cars, trucks,
4X4’s, motorcycles, dirt bikes, ATV’s, dune buggies, sand rails,
and other vehicles not strictly used for racing events, are not racing vehicles
and gasoline used in these vehicles is not exempt from California RFG
requirements. Therefore, it is illegal to sell, offer for sale, supply, and
offer for supply non-complying racing fuel (leaded and unleaded) for motor
vehicles in California except in competition racing vehicles. Many refiners,
blenders, and distributors of racing fuel sell and supply a "street
legal" high octane unleaded gasoline (racing fuel) blend that complies
with the specifications for California RFG. This complying racing ED –
Form #075 (Rev. 07/04) ED – Form #075 (Rev. 07/04)

Leaded and unleaded racing fuel that does not meet the California RFG
specifications (non-complying racing gasoline) can only be sold, offered for
sale, offered for supply, or supplied for use in true, competition racing
vehicles. The retailer, i.e. service station, speed shop, auto parts store,
fuel distributor, and race track fuel dispensing facility, etc., who is selling
or supplying this non-complying gasoline must "take reasonable prudent
precautions to assure that the gasoline will be used only in racing
vehicles." If the vehicle this fuel is to be used in is registered or
licensed for on-road or off-road use, this usually indicates that non-complying
racing fuel cannot be used in it and the sale or supply of the fuel should not
take place. CARB will consider this and all other relevant circumstances to
determine if "reasonable prudent precautions" were followed in any
particular case. In evaluating whether "reasonable and prudent
precautions" were followed, CARB will consider whether the retailer kept a
record of each sale of non-complying racing gasoline and whether each sales
record contains the following information:


Date of Fuel Purchase

Name, Address, and Telephone Number of Purchaser / User

Brand, Name, and Grade (octane rating) of Fuel Purchased

Type or Description of Vehicle(s) to be Fueled

Is the vehicle(s) to be fueled registered or licensed for on-road use?

Is the vehicle(s) to be fueled registered or licensed for off-road use?

License Number and VIN, if any, of Vehicle(s) to be Fueled

Name of Sanctioned Racing Event

Date of Event

Name of Racing Association or Sanctioning Body

Racing Association or Sanctioning Body Membership ID Number

Signature under penalty of perjury that the gasoline will be used only in the
above racing vehicle(s) for the above sanctioned racing event

Refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors must also take "reasonable
prudent precautions" and prove that adequate steps have been taken to
limit sales of non-complying racing fuel to racing vehicles, exclusively. CARB
will consider, but is not limited to, the following to be reasonable prudent
precautions: import notifications, production reporting, labeling, record
keeping, distributor training, and providing customer education materials. The
requirement to take reasonable prudent precautions applies to all shipments of
non-complying racing fuel regardless of container size, i.e. railcars, cargo
tanks, barrels, drums, cans, etc. Specifically for importers and in-state
refiners and blenders, in addition to the above, reasonable prudent precautions
should include notification to CARB of the import shipment or in-state
production, and labeling of each batch and container of non-complying racing
gasoline. Refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors may enter into an
enforcement protocol with CARB or modify their existing protocol as
appropriate.

Bulk containers, including but not limited to railcars, cargo tanks, barrels,
drums, and cans, as well as bills of lading, delivery tickets, and invoices for
all shipments of non-complying racing fuel offered or supplied for sale and use
in California must be conspicuously labeled with the following:

Legal For Use ONLY In Competition Racing Vehicles

Not Legal For Use In Any Other Motor Vehicle

Letters or statements included with shipping documents outlining the legal uses
of the racing fuel, instructions sent to distributors and retailers concerning
legal sales and use of racing fuel, or other specific steps outlined in a new
or modified enforcement protocol with CARB Enforcement Division, are additional
ways for refiners, blenders, importers, and distributors to comply with the
taking "reasonable prudent precautions" requirement. CARB will
evaluate whether all of the information discussed in this Advisory #397 is
included in the records. The absence of such records or records that lack the
above information argue against "reasonable and prudent precautions"
having been taken.
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Your copy/paste of the document omitted the last sentence from paragraph 7. The sentence not included in your copy is bolded below and IMO - the most important part of that document as it states that compliant racing fuel is legal, can be bought a sold retail and can be used in ALL vehicles.

" Many refiners, blenders, and distributors of racing fuel sell and supply a "street legal" high octane unleaded gasoline (racing fuel) blend that complies with the specifications for California RFG. This complying racing gasoline is readily available and is legal for use in all motor vehicles both on and off road. Retailers may sell this racing gasoline as complying California RFG."
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